what size of dailboat to sail deep water
What length for sea travel????
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Jacko
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- Jun 28, 2005
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...but, I will say if you need to ask this question, perhaps y'all are not fix for Blue Water. Simply my humble opinion, not meant to insult so don't have information technology that way, I just believe that rubber should always be at the forefront. Not to take the current of air from your sails, I too promise to do an sea crossing but I am still a newbie. But in answer to your question: I read an article on the Grampian website nigh a G30 going from Newfoundland, Canada to The Azores. Let me catch the link for ya, its a neat and inspirational story.
Jacko
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I am considering buying a sailboat to live on while learning to canvass, then one time I gather enough experience and training I would similar to accept the choice of sailing to say... Hawaii. I am a complete novice, but would like to hear others opinions. I know bravery has a little to do with what size vessel. Thanks
- May 21, 2004
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Hello, It'southward my agreement that size (length) has naught to do with safety for ocean voyages. There are safe 26' models (Contessa, read Tania Aebi's stories) and at that place are twoscore' models are that would not exist good for Body of water crossings. In that location are certain designs that are meant for extended blue water crossings. Those designs may not exist the best for living aboard, or for littoral cruising. Skillful luck, Barry
Wayne
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Jacko Like you lot and Dwayne I am too looking at an ocean voyage soon. I have done a lot of research and its non and then much the size of the Yacht, its the experience and preparation required. I accept a C380 that I will sail around my local bay for 12 months and occasionally get through the heads but to get the experience of the open body of water. Where I canvas in Melbourne ( Port phillip bay ) it enters into Bass straight, which is renowned for existence one of the roughest streches of water in the world, they say if you tin handle bass straight you tin handle whatever sea. The reply to your question is elementary. Buy a practiced audio yacht, Catalinas are a great gunkhole, I would propose a 34 footer, I have been in some crude stuff and the 380 loves information technology, I'g the one that worries. And so sail as much as you can in all types of weather weather, you will find every bit you get more experience y'all really adopt the wind blowing hard. Equally yous go you volition detect how to fit your boat out, what types of food to accept, spares parts for the engine and fittings that are probable to need replacing. You volition probably take a check listing. As Dwayne suggested, you lot will know when your gear up to take on the ocean, you won't need to inquire anyone. See you both out in that location. Wayne
- May 18, 2004
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that's why many offshore organized races accept a minimum size requirement. Nigh small boats are not built with heavy enough scantlings and gear to accept much pounding. Also the smaller lighter boats accept a poor comfort ratio and get tossed around pretty desperately, punishing their crew to exhaustion. Yes there are some small boats that are capable enough, and in that location are large ones that are unsafe. That doesn't mean size and weight are irrelevant; it just means size alone is not a good measure out.
- May eleven, 2005
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In that location are good little boats, and non so good bigger boats. In my humble opinion, information technology has more than to do with who is in the boat, than the boat itself. A good skipper is, well, a proficient skipper. And a bad skipper is still a bad skipper, whether he is sailing a 20 day sailor or a 50' mega yacht.
JB
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What you might want to await for is a strong stiff boat with an integrated keel. Catalina's are not thought of as blue h2o boats, unless it'southward a new one. A very roomy, fast, not besides expensive, and blue water proven is a Cal34. In that location are other heavier more than expensive boats, such as Westsails, Pacific Seacrafts etc. They are tanks. Yet they are very erstwhile full keel designs and sail poorly and very ho-hum.
a poor former sailor
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Though experience, design, and scantlings affair, generally a bigger boat is going to be safer and more comfy. If I was younger and alone the smallest I'd consider would exist 30' - but at present, in my after years, condolement seems to win over adventure and I wouldn't go besides far offshore in anything under 35' (maybe 40' if the li'50 lady is coming too). That being said, it'd improve be a gunkhole designed for offshore sailing, with a well protected rudder and HUGE cockpit drains.
- February 14, 2005
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Europeans tend to favor boats in 26-35 ft. range, while americans seem to favor boats 35-45ft. The larger the boat the more work, especially in sail handling. The longest boat that you can beget is probably the best rule for choice as the longer waterline will bear on faster passages, more storm abstention, more bounding main-kindly motion etc. A stock Catalina 30 without MAJOR ($$$$) upgrade and MAJOR strengthening would probably NOT be a suitable choice as this is a lightly congenital 'coastal' boat. It would probably come autonomously in the first major storm you lot encounter. A blue water boat typically has the post-obit characteristics: Built like Brick S__T House, small cockpit, very small and very strong 'windows', very robust structure to withstand a major 'pounding' by storm force atmospheric condition, LOTS of tankage, able to carry heavy stores without sinking greatly into the water and 'wallowing' because its too deep in the h2o. For American pattern 'ocean boats' follow such gunkhole designers such as: Creighlock, Perry, Harris, Hess, etc. Certainly i tin 'rebuild and refit' a coastal design to withstand the rigors of passagemaking. Many have done it and on a shoestring budget.... but its a lot of work, etc. For world famous passagemakers who either congenital their own boats or refitted/rebuilt lightweight coastal boats: www.setsail.com/s_logs/martin/martin.html www.landlpardey.com A coastal design boat can practice 'island hopping' - brusque 'dashes' between islands by waiting for advisable weather condition. A blue h2o blueprint is unremarkably built to 'take whatever comes along'. That said and as as others have stated .... its non so much the boat as the sailing experience of the crew that actually counts.
- May 24, 2004
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I think that crossing oceans is different than ocean sailing. We have our Pearson 323 on 100+ mile trips in the Gulf of Mexico. Hopefully we will cruise up the east coast and over to the Bahamas. But the P323 is a coastal boat. That means that you tin become to a safety place in 24-48 hours before the big waves tin can build. If y'all stay within 200 miles or and so of a safe harbor many boats can be used and a fast beamy gunkhole might exist best. Just if you are crossing oceans and entirely dissimilar blazon of boat is required. I met a couple that sailed effectually the world in a 24' pacific seacraft "Dana". They said that the worst atmospheric condition they encountered was from South Africa to St Helena but that the boat did well. All things being equal a larger boat is ameliorate because the longer the boat the college the wave required to curl the boat. Robust construction is probably more of import than length. There are a lot of books available on gunkhole design. You should read a couple before buying a boat for a particular purpose. A great gunkhole for crossing the north atlantic would probably be a miserable boat for coastal sailing around the gulf of mexico in the summer. Here on the gulf a boat that does well in low-cal wind and has a large cockpit for entertaining might exist best. I don't call up that any experienced sailer would consider a Catalina 30 a skilful boat for crossing oceans. BTW I am a large fan of catalina 30's and consider them the best purchase for littoral cruising. Tom
- Jun iii, 2004
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While I agree with near of the comments, you shouldn't discount the ability of a Cat thirty as a live-aboard long-range coastal cruiser, as long every bit you recognize her weaknesses and allow for them. Take a look at "Stargazer's Diary", the story of a couple'due south travels from San Francisco Bay down the declension of United mexican states and Key America thru the Panama Culvert and up to Florida. The book doesn't go into the boat's strengths vs. weaknesses a lot (I don't recollect it even mentions that the boat is a Cat30), but they had a bang-up time over a couple of years. They did lots of "ocean sailing", but no "bounding main crossing". Available on Amazon & elsewhere. Certain can't get a bigger boat in 30ft, or more than boat for the cadet than a Cat30.
- Jun 28, 2005
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Now I am envying you. My dream is to sell the house and buy a xl' to live on, simply alas the wife won't become for it.
Franklin
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can you get for the wife? 
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- Jul fourteen, 2005
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Jacko, I encourage you to expect at proven pocket cruisers that are designed for blue water. My personal feel in 1990 on a crossing from Bermuda to Noank CT taught me to re-think what I was doing. As part of a sailing training cruise, we students and instructors were aboard a brand new Catalina 42. We encountered a low pressure sustem while in the Gulf Stream. The resulting force 10 winds and 30 foot seas managed to break nigh everything on board. nosotros all fabricated it safely to the adept old Us, but it was very shut call. Consider a proven bluish water boat, no matter what the size. Eric
Jacko
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I heard that a Catalina 30 isn't the best for sea voyages, merely what manufacturers are? I read some responses list manufacturers that are expert, simply can everyone be more specific. I am thinking 30-34 footer, if a total keel is the best then and so be it, able to be sailed by one or two people. P.S. This is the greatest, nigh informative sailing website & forum on the internet. Very happy I plant all of you. Thanks once more.
Allan
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there is a guy sailing around the world in a 1982 newport 28. He left maryland and is now of the coast of Figi. It'due south all in what y'all experience safe and trust in I guess.
George
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check spelling, is the only builder that builds boats constistinsly thru the sizes. Thier 20 ftr is as strongly built as thier 65 ftr. Any i would take you around the earth. Read the book, WOODEN BOATS, past Micheal Ruel, again check spelling. Or improve all the same, check out their shop in Marthas Vinyard!
- Jun 28, 2005
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Was just reading the latest edition (July 2005) of Blue Water Sailing. There is a story in there of a young couple that bought a sailboat to sail downwardly from California to Florida via the Panama. They only knew two things when they were ownership this boat: demand expert chain plates and a diesel. A good story, and rather upifting. So, information technology comment to my original comment: practice whatever you lot retrieve you can handle, and similar this couple in the story teach yourself along the way. I still recollect that is non safe, but if information technology is what yous need to do to proceed the dream alive, all the ability to you. Only exist rubber, and understand that there are somethings you do non yet fully understand and practice accordingly.
- Mar xviii, 2005
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You lot have enough of time to spec out a particular model, only I think you will find that the mid-thirties is very popular size range for extended cruising. Comfort increases with size up to a signal, but "gunkhole handling" means getting around your boat and pulling, pushing, lifting, cranking, belaying, lashing, etc., and the bigger the boat the heavier, longer, further apart, slower, and more complicated everything is (not to mention more expensive). Review your personal requirements. Mine include standing headroom throughout; single purpose fabricated-upward berths for all easily (not including athwartship or 5-berths); tankage to run a pocket-sized engine four-500 miles; lazarette; small-scale cockpit with bridge deck; room to deport a rigid-bottom inflatable on deck; rigged all inboard. This is easily managed in 32' with ample stowage for 2. Take every opportunity to visit and canvass aboard other boats, noting what you consider essential and otherwise. Good luck.
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